08.30.08

links again and again and again…

Posted in design, fun, internet at 11:26 am by nogre


science/ world

technology

design

random stuff I think is of interest

  • New York
    • How Polite Are We?
      • A survey where NYC comes out as the MOST POLITE city. I am actually unsurprised because it takes more time to argue than to be polite.
    • City Fits, Eventually, for New Arrivals - NYTimes.com
      • “Sometime over the course of new arrivals’ first year in the city, they find themselves becoming New Yorkers.” Also confirms above survey with anecdotal evidence.
  • writing_philosophy.pdf
    Two and a half pages on how to write better, not just for philosophy.  I like, “You should assume that the first draft of each sentence will have to be fixed up.” (my emphasis)
  • Shareholder Letters
    Warren Buffet’s letters to his shareholders. Makes for surprisingly good reading… I just wish I had his sort of bad news, like, there’s no way you can expect us to keep doing this well. - I’m sorry that our predictions from last year were off. Of course, we did much better this year…
  • I recently had a discussion with Mr. R. Brown about eating meat. He tried to maintain that vegetarians have the moral high ground. Even though I successfully defended my omnivorous position (even against his cannibalism tack), I’m thinking Zizek’s ad hominem is now the way to go (26s) [via]:
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  • Last but not least: Fox Developing Cowboy Bebop Live-Action Feature Film
    Please let this not suck.

 

 

 
… you don’t want to know how long it takes to put these link pages together.

 

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6 Comments »

  1. Richard Brown said,

    November 2, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Even though I successfully defended my omnivorous position (even against his cannibalism tack)

    No, what you defended was the claim that it isn’t necessarily wrong to eat flesh. What you did not defend (nor can it be defended) is the claim that killing animals to get the meat is moral.

    Oh and that ad hominem is disgusting. For shame.

  2. nogre said,

    November 4, 2008 at 12:16 am

    For shame?! FOR SHAME!?

    Obviously you have some faulty reasoning over wherever it is that you are.

    1. If you claim that an animal’s life matters to it even if doesn’t know it, then the animal’s species must also likewise matter to it.
    2. We shouldn’t cause the overall species any harm (if we can help it)
    3. Domestication of animal species that we eat have caused these species harm because they can no longer fend for themselves.
    4. The most efficient way to repair the genetic damage we have done is use the most advanced genetics we can to help these species.
    5. Humans are the most genetically advanced organisms, and since it is our fault these species ended up this way, it is the least we can do to use our genes to help them out.

    Therefore vegetarians of your ilk are degenerates who’ll turn people into animals. You should be ashamed of yourself!

    …. oh wait, this is insane.

    I suspect Zizek does actually realize that it is ludicrous to say that vegetarians are degenerates who’ll turn into monkeys. As such, I found this clip to be entertaining, in an absurdist sort of way (and why it showed up on a page full of other entertaining things). I’m sorry if you were insulted by it.

    But what is really interesting is that you have gone back on what you said here:

    Yeah, I think I have to agree with you that as long as one is respectful and the animal doesn’t suffer then there is nothing wrong with killing it and eating it…

    Why did you leave the above comment after saying this, without any intervening arguments?

    I think you liked having the moral high ground as a vegetarian and it got your undies in a bunch that I had a defense.

  3. Richard Brown said,

    November 6, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Oh, I thought it was clear from the context of our discussion that the above applied only to those who were willing to admit that I could kill and eat you in exactly the same way; you did not agree with that and so your defense failed.

  4. nogre said,

    November 6, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    No, no, no, no, no.

    What I said to that was:

    No, I can’t say I have a problem with the few tribes left in world who are cannibals. I think there are a few out in Indonesia and as long as they keep to themselves, we should leave them be….

    Then you said:

    Yeah, I pretty much agree with what you say here. As long as people are consistent in the way that you are that is fine….

    So I was clear that I was OK with cannibals, but then went on to make a point about it being part of their cultural history, which excludes you. If someone like you did it, then I would put you in the same class of people as Hannibal Lecter, which is very different.

    So no, you couldn’t kill and eat me under my scheme, but I can still kill and eat meat (as long as it isn’t people and as long as I am being respectful). If I have missed something in my defense, please show me a quote to illustrate where I have been mistaken, because, I have to admit, I’m a tad confused. I thought that the quotes of yours that I linked in this comment and my previous comment were clearly in my favor. I can’t recall nor can find anything I wrote that even looked like I backed off my position.

    Let me know.

  5. Richard Brown said,

    November 6, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    I guess I misunderstood your position and you clearly misunderstood mine. I don’t see how you think that this justifies eating meat, as far as i can see it makes no sense at all…you seem to be assuming something that I can’t locate.

  6. nogre said,

    November 7, 2008 at 1:47 am

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